Who watched qualifying?
The new rules for '09 are fantastic!!!
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This season will be very,very interesting..we'll see real races,now i'm watching the safety car after kubica and vettel's fight... 
If they maintain the new rules,we'll never see other "fake" champion with a good car supportted by a lot of €€€€€€€€€€€
F1 one should means the best driver,nor the best car with a mediocre driver...
Button wins
Barrichello
Trulli
If they maintain the new rules,we'll never see other "fake" champion with a good car supportted by a lot of €€€€€€€€€€€
F1 one should means the best driver,nor the best car with a mediocre driver...
Button wins
Barrichello
Trulli
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Not the greatest race, but a good indicator of how the season will go.
There were a few "in-car" shots of running nose to tail, setting the lead driver up, and a actual pass!
Havent seen that for 2 years!
I watched it on my 140" HD projector..... sweet!
Trever , if you want to watch the next race at my house, give me a shout...
There were a few "in-car" shots of running nose to tail, setting the lead driver up, and a actual pass!
Havent seen that for 2 years!
I watched it on my 140" HD projector..... sweet!
Trever , if you want to watch the next race at my house, give me a shout...
Then I saw that they were the results 
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The rule changes caught some of the usual players out as they were heads down fighting for the 2008 championship - BMW, Ferrari and McLaren - while others wrote off 2008 and got ready for 2009 - Toyota, Williams, and Honda. The irony is the least successful team - Super Aguri - lead indirectly to Brawn winning on Sunday. When Super Aguri folded their aero team took a split diffuser design to Toyota, Williams and then Honda which itself folded and became Ross Brawn Racing. It is that design which is estimated to provide somewhere between 0.5s and 1s per lap over the other teams. You can guarantee that the big guns' spies will helping prepare a copy cat approach as early as possible.
The other "variable" is that Ecclestone instructed Bridgestone to bring two tire compounds which could not be accommodated within a single race setup. The super-softs went off after 3 laps and it became a guess when to use them - at the start to get ahead (BMW) or at the end (Brawn). Kubica's pursuit of Vettel was down to the fact the latter's tires were toast. (Which made his impulsive overtaking move all the more crazy.)
I predict that after a few races the impact of money and personnel (designers and drivers) will bring the cream back up to the top of the milk. It would be cool to see Red Bull (Vettel/Newey) and Brawn (Brawn/Button) join the top ranks, though.
While I have been an F1 since the days of Graham Hill and Jim Clark, I have no illusions about the influence of money in the sport and the consequences. Back in the late 70s they had to run pre-qualifying to slim the field down to 26 entries, now its a struggle to fill the grid. When the turbo engines meant you needed an engine supplier, and then OEMs started bying the teams it was inevitable competition would suffer and financial resources would be in the hands of the few. If you want to see technology at work watch F1, if you want to see raw talent at work watch motocross/supercross.
The other "variable" is that Ecclestone instructed Bridgestone to bring two tire compounds which could not be accommodated within a single race setup. The super-softs went off after 3 laps and it became a guess when to use them - at the start to get ahead (BMW) or at the end (Brawn). Kubica's pursuit of Vettel was down to the fact the latter's tires were toast. (Which made his impulsive overtaking move all the more crazy.)
I predict that after a few races the impact of money and personnel (designers and drivers) will bring the cream back up to the top of the milk. It would be cool to see Red Bull (Vettel/Newey) and Brawn (Brawn/Button) join the top ranks, though.
While I have been an F1 since the days of Graham Hill and Jim Clark, I have no illusions about the influence of money in the sport and the consequences. Back in the late 70s they had to run pre-qualifying to slim the field down to 26 entries, now its a struggle to fill the grid. When the turbo engines meant you needed an engine supplier, and then OEMs started bying the teams it was inevitable competition would suffer and financial resources would be in the hands of the few. If you want to see technology at work watch F1, if you want to see raw talent at work watch motocross/supercross.
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Bravo! I have to say however......put all these drivers in a spec car or even a lesser car and Hamilton still comes out ahead in a series. Just my opinion.redrocket190 wrote:The rule changes caught some of the usual players out as they were heads down fighting for the 2008 championship - BMW, Ferrari and McLaren - while others wrote off 2008 and got ready for 2009 - Toyota, Williams, and Honda. The irony is the least successful team - Super Aguri - lead indirectly to Brawn winning on Sunday. When Super Aguri folded their aero team took a split diffuser design to Toyota, Williams and then Honda which itself folded and became Ross Brawn Racing. It is that design which is estimated to provide somewhere between 0.5s and 1s per lap over the other teams. You can guarantee that the big guns' spies will helping prepare a copy cat approach as early as possible.
The other "variable" is that Ecclestone instructed Bridgestone to bring two tire compounds which could not be accommodated within a single race setup. The super-softs went off after 3 laps and it became a guess when to use them - at the start to get ahead (BMW) or at the end (Brawn). Kubica's pursuit of Vettel was down to the fact the latter's tires were toast. (Which made his impulsive overtaking move all the more crazy.)
I predict that after a few races the impact of money and personnel (designers and drivers) will bring the cream back up to the top of the milk. It would be cool to see Red Bull (Vettel/Newey) and Brawn (Brawn/Button) join the top ranks, though.
While I have been an F1 since the days of Graham Hill and Jim Clark, I have no illusions about the influence of money in the sport and the consequences. Back in the late 70s they had to run pre-qualifying to slim the field down to 26 entries, now its a struggle to fill the grid. When the turbo engines meant you needed an engine supplier, and then OEMs started bying the teams it was inevitable competition would suffer and financial resources would be in the hands of the few. If you want to see technology at work watch F1, if you want to see raw talent at work watch motocross/supercross.
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You are absolutely right. If you remove or diminish all the other variables, driving talent becomes the ultimate differentiation. That's why the F1 drivers of today made their way through the lower series where - relatively - money and technology are less of an influence. Also F1 is like a market and money gravitates to a few with the better record of success. So the talent ends up in the best cars. My point was a great driver cannot overcome a really shit car.
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F1 may never be same again 8 teams are leaving
SILVERSTONE (England): Formula One plunged into its biggest crisis in 60 years on Friday with eight of the 10 teams announcing plans to set up their own championship. ( Watch )
The teams association FOTA said BMW-Sauber, Brawn, Ferrari, McLaren, Red Bull, Renault, Toro Rosso and Toyota were united in a decision that would split the sport in two if carried through.
"The teams cannot continue to compromise on the fundamental values of the sport and have declined to alter their original conditional entries to the 2010 world championship," said a statement.
"These teams therefore have no alternative other than to commence the preparation for a new championship which reflects the values of its participants and partners."
The governing International Automobile Federation (FIA) had set a Friday deadline for teams to make their entries unconditional or risk exclusion in favour of would-be new competitors.
The eight FOTA teams had submitted entries conditional on the 2010 rules, which include a controversial budget cap, being rewritten and the signing of a new commercial agreement governing the sport.
Attempts by both sides to reach a compromise failed, with the FIA accusing teams earlier in the week of wanting to take over the sport.
FOTA said their new series would encourage more entrants, listen to the wishes of fans and have transparent governance.
The teams, who are due to race in the British Grand Prix on Sunday, also promised "lower prices for spectators worldwide, partners and other important stakeholders.
"The major drivers, stars, brands, sponsors, promoters and companies historically associated with the highest level of motorsport will all feature in this new series," it added.
There was no immediate comment from the FIA or Formula One's commercial supremo Bernie Ecclestone.
Former champions Williams and Force India have already committed unconditionally to the FIA's world championship along with three new entrants -- Campos, US F1 and Manor -- who have yet to build any grand prix cars.
The FIA has put another group of applicants on hold pending the outcome of talks with existing teams although one would-be new entrant, chassis maker Lola, has already withdrawn its application.
It remains to be seen whether the new entrants, who have all agreed to race with a 40 million pounds ($65.59 million) budget cap, will still be willing to commit to a series without glamour teams such as Ferrari and McLaren.
The stage is also set for a legal battle, with the FIA saying champions Ferrari and the two Red Bull teams have contracts that commit them to the existing championship.
Sponsorship and broadcast deals will also come under scrutiny with television networks facing the loss of the big name teams and drivers that bring in the viewers.
The eight FOTA members met at Renault's Enstone headquarters on Thursday evening after receiving letters from FIA President Max Mosley urging them to drop their conditions and sign up.
Their statement accused the FIA and Ecclestone, who represents commercial rights holder CVC, of trying to divide them.
"The wishes of the majority of the teams are ignored," the statement said. "Furthermore, tens of millions of dollars have been withheld from many teams by the commercial rights holder, going back as far as 2006.
"Despite this, and the uncompromising environment, FOTA has genuinely sought compromise."
FOTA will have plenty of options when it comes to drawing up a calendar, with Formula One having discarded several European and American venues in recent years in favour of lavish new facilities in the Middle East and Asia.
Silverstone, which hosted the first championship race in 1950, will join that list after Sunday.
SILVERSTONE (England): Formula One plunged into its biggest crisis in 60 years on Friday with eight of the 10 teams announcing plans to set up their own championship. ( Watch )
The teams association FOTA said BMW-Sauber, Brawn, Ferrari, McLaren, Red Bull, Renault, Toro Rosso and Toyota were united in a decision that would split the sport in two if carried through.
"The teams cannot continue to compromise on the fundamental values of the sport and have declined to alter their original conditional entries to the 2010 world championship," said a statement.
"These teams therefore have no alternative other than to commence the preparation for a new championship which reflects the values of its participants and partners."
The governing International Automobile Federation (FIA) had set a Friday deadline for teams to make their entries unconditional or risk exclusion in favour of would-be new competitors.
The eight FOTA teams had submitted entries conditional on the 2010 rules, which include a controversial budget cap, being rewritten and the signing of a new commercial agreement governing the sport.
Attempts by both sides to reach a compromise failed, with the FIA accusing teams earlier in the week of wanting to take over the sport.
FOTA said their new series would encourage more entrants, listen to the wishes of fans and have transparent governance.
The teams, who are due to race in the British Grand Prix on Sunday, also promised "lower prices for spectators worldwide, partners and other important stakeholders.
"The major drivers, stars, brands, sponsors, promoters and companies historically associated with the highest level of motorsport will all feature in this new series," it added.
There was no immediate comment from the FIA or Formula One's commercial supremo Bernie Ecclestone.
Former champions Williams and Force India have already committed unconditionally to the FIA's world championship along with three new entrants -- Campos, US F1 and Manor -- who have yet to build any grand prix cars.
The FIA has put another group of applicants on hold pending the outcome of talks with existing teams although one would-be new entrant, chassis maker Lola, has already withdrawn its application.
It remains to be seen whether the new entrants, who have all agreed to race with a 40 million pounds ($65.59 million) budget cap, will still be willing to commit to a series without glamour teams such as Ferrari and McLaren.
The stage is also set for a legal battle, with the FIA saying champions Ferrari and the two Red Bull teams have contracts that commit them to the existing championship.
Sponsorship and broadcast deals will also come under scrutiny with television networks facing the loss of the big name teams and drivers that bring in the viewers.
The eight FOTA members met at Renault's Enstone headquarters on Thursday evening after receiving letters from FIA President Max Mosley urging them to drop their conditions and sign up.
Their statement accused the FIA and Ecclestone, who represents commercial rights holder CVC, of trying to divide them.
"The wishes of the majority of the teams are ignored," the statement said. "Furthermore, tens of millions of dollars have been withheld from many teams by the commercial rights holder, going back as far as 2006.
"Despite this, and the uncompromising environment, FOTA has genuinely sought compromise."
FOTA will have plenty of options when it comes to drawing up a calendar, with Formula One having discarded several European and American venues in recent years in favour of lavish new facilities in the Middle East and Asia.
Silverstone, which hosted the first championship race in 1950, will join that list after Sunday.
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Nice to see some F1 fans in here. I havent missed a race since '00
I think it time for the FIA president Mosley to GTFO.. guy has been fucking up the sport for while. He bitches abvout saving money then implements the mulitmillion dollar KERS system which most teams are abandoning. The guy is 78 yeras old has more money than god.. why not retire? him and ecclestone are power hungry fucks IMO and the sport can do better without them
ANYONE BUT BUTTON FOR 09 WDC!
I think it time for the FIA president Mosley to GTFO.. guy has been fucking up the sport for while. He bitches abvout saving money then implements the mulitmillion dollar KERS system which most teams are abandoning. The guy is 78 yeras old has more money than god.. why not retire? him and ecclestone are power hungry fucks IMO and the sport can do better without them
ANYONE BUT BUTTON FOR 09 WDC!
New article in the Wall Street Journal on F1.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 67212.html
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 67212.html
Brit still swears Schumi is " The Stig".........
In the first episode of the 13th series of Top Gear, The Stig drove an all-black Ferrari FXX[56] around the Top Gear Test Track, achieving their fastest lap time for a production car of 1:10.7. Later in the show he was brought into the studio, and then revealed himself as Michael Schumacher. Clarkson stated at the end of the show "I'm not sure if Michael Schumacher is the Stig" after showing a comedy clip of Schumacher (dressed up as the Stig) supposedly struggling to drive the Suzuki Liana. The BBC has since admitted that while Michael Schumacher is not the Stig, he was the only person allowed who could drive the Ferrari FXX
So, just who is The Stig?
In the first episode of the 13th series of Top Gear, The Stig drove an all-black Ferrari FXX[56] around the Top Gear Test Track, achieving their fastest lap time for a production car of 1:10.7. Later in the show he was brought into the studio, and then revealed himself as Michael Schumacher. Clarkson stated at the end of the show "I'm not sure if Michael Schumacher is the Stig" after showing a comedy clip of Schumacher (dressed up as the Stig) supposedly struggling to drive the Suzuki Liana. The BBC has since admitted that while Michael Schumacher is not the Stig, he was the only person allowed who could drive the Ferrari FXX
So, just who is The Stig?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stig
I knew the first Stig was Perry McCarthy, but it appears no one really knows who the current one is.
I knew the first Stig was Perry McCarthy, but it appears no one really knows who the current one is.
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Unsurprisingly no new news here. For all the top manufacturers teams the season is effectively over. Mercedes and Renault get some kudos by providing the engines in the two top runners - Brawn and Red Bull respectively. While these guys fight it out, the other folks will quietly start working on the 2010 car. This is the inherent problem with combining rules changes with a ban on testing. If you are distracted in your preparation and/or make a bad call on something fundamental like the weight (the KERS dead-end) or aero balance (the diffuser issue) of the car, you have little chance to recover and with someone else dominating you're toast for the season.Exnav wrote:New article in the Wall Street Journal on F1.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 67212.html
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I can't remember the exact year, but I've been watching F1 since Direct TV came to town, back when it was owned by Pegasus.
I really enjoyed the V12 days....engines were bad ass and tires were slicks. At least now they have returned to the true race tires.
I was in awe of how Michael and Rubens (always runner-up) would wipe the field's asses and dominate so easily. Ferrari was winning and selling the shit outta their cars.
How things have changed in last couple of seasons. I'm really glad to see a low-ball team dominate....it's too bad that Rubens is still 2nd best. I have always liked him, he's one of the coolest drivers ever to hit F1. Always in good spirits and always speaks the truth, even when he f's up.
Was it 06, or 07 when they had a no-change tire rule. That was a death blow for the sport. Run 1 set of tires for a full race, what the crap is that? More like a race on who can tip-toe around the track the safest.....BS.
Now for 09 you have to run at least 1 soft compound and 1 hard compound tire to meet the rules....who came up w/that stupid crap.
Thank goodness for TiVo. I record each race, and I fast forward through all the boaring laps, and for once I wish the gay commentators would shut up so the actual sounds of racing could be heard.
The best race I ever saw (on TV) was a segment of the 07 24 hrs of LeMans. It was like 2am and French Radio had their turn at the satellite feed. THERE WAS NO TALKING....they dubbed in bad ass American rock&roll yet the tire screeching and engine sounds could be heard. It was classic, and never seen since.
I don't intend to bash the series, it has just gone down hill for the last several years.
I remember a practice session when a team pulled a car in the pits, and removed the rear cowling....the cameras were right there. It didn't look like a car, it looked like a part of the space shuttle fell out of the sky and landed there....it was the most amazing thing I've ever seen. And to hamper that technology with retarded tire regulations.
Now there's talk of having 1 engine manufacturer....can it get any worse?
I find myself tuning in to (recording) races like Moto GP, WSB and the 450 nationals.
I have never seen Moto GP qualifying. Seems that the Leguna Seca qualifying event was picked up and I watched a portion of it today. To me that was more exciting than the actual race. The thrashes that took place in the pits was priceless to see.
Looks like F1 has run its course, and I'm returning back to 2 wheeled action.
Though I'm anxious to see how Barachello ends up for this season.
I really enjoyed the V12 days....engines were bad ass and tires were slicks. At least now they have returned to the true race tires.
I was in awe of how Michael and Rubens (always runner-up) would wipe the field's asses and dominate so easily. Ferrari was winning and selling the shit outta their cars.
How things have changed in last couple of seasons. I'm really glad to see a low-ball team dominate....it's too bad that Rubens is still 2nd best. I have always liked him, he's one of the coolest drivers ever to hit F1. Always in good spirits and always speaks the truth, even when he f's up.
Was it 06, or 07 when they had a no-change tire rule. That was a death blow for the sport. Run 1 set of tires for a full race, what the crap is that? More like a race on who can tip-toe around the track the safest.....BS.
Now for 09 you have to run at least 1 soft compound and 1 hard compound tire to meet the rules....who came up w/that stupid crap.
Thank goodness for TiVo. I record each race, and I fast forward through all the boaring laps, and for once I wish the gay commentators would shut up so the actual sounds of racing could be heard.
The best race I ever saw (on TV) was a segment of the 07 24 hrs of LeMans. It was like 2am and French Radio had their turn at the satellite feed. THERE WAS NO TALKING....they dubbed in bad ass American rock&roll yet the tire screeching and engine sounds could be heard. It was classic, and never seen since.
I don't intend to bash the series, it has just gone down hill for the last several years.
I remember a practice session when a team pulled a car in the pits, and removed the rear cowling....the cameras were right there. It didn't look like a car, it looked like a part of the space shuttle fell out of the sky and landed there....it was the most amazing thing I've ever seen. And to hamper that technology with retarded tire regulations.
Now there's talk of having 1 engine manufacturer....can it get any worse?
I find myself tuning in to (recording) races like Moto GP, WSB and the 450 nationals.
I have never seen Moto GP qualifying. Seems that the Leguna Seca qualifying event was picked up and I watched a portion of it today. To me that was more exciting than the actual race. The thrashes that took place in the pits was priceless to see.
Looks like F1 has run its course, and I'm returning back to 2 wheeled action.
Though I'm anxious to see how Barachello ends up for this season.
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