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Interesting engine failure

Posted: January 8th, 2012, 12:20 am
by NightBiker07
Engine pictured is a Honda CX500 motor. Bulletproof engines, they'll run forever. Anyone ever seen an engine fail in this manner? What could cause it?




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Posted: January 8th, 2012, 1:04 am
by racein01
mmm not sure looks hot but.

Posted: January 10th, 2012, 7:16 pm
by NightBiker07
No other thoughts guys? This one rouses my curiosity :?

Posted: January 10th, 2012, 7:39 pm
by AlisoBob
Detonation or hydraulic is the only thing that comes to mind...

Posted: January 11th, 2012, 6:48 am
by FZ1426
CX500 Turbo model?

Posted: January 11th, 2012, 8:03 am
by NightBiker07
FZ1426 wrote:CX500 Turbo model?
Nope. N/A motor.


Bob, wouldnt detonation pit the piston/head?

Posted: January 11th, 2012, 9:04 am
by AlisoBob
The failure isnt the sleeve, its the aluminum jacket holding the sleeve.

If it detonated really hard, and either lifted the head right there or dislodged the gasket, the pressure would be directed right at the aluminum jacket.

If coolant got into the cylinder and you hit the starter button, it might have done the same thing.

What does the H/G look like? Do you still have it.

Was it running when it happened, or did it run fine, was parked... and then ran like shit on the restart?

:?: :?: :?:

Posted: January 11th, 2012, 12:42 pm
by Roostius_Maximus
Use an end mill and plunge into the side of the sleeve and the water jacket casing only enough to retail an aluminum dowell, it's the same thing we do with the Honda car blocks that aren't running darton sleeve packs. I'll post pics in a dew days

Posted: January 12th, 2012, 3:30 am
by craigf40
my guess would be a blown head gasket but just a slight leak blowing the exploding gas forcefully through causing great heat enough to melt the ali block like a heat gun on plastic you ever seen how it melts it till it cracks..

Posted: January 12th, 2012, 11:52 am
by 2strokeforever
too much nitrous :lol:

Posted: January 12th, 2012, 12:27 pm
by NightBiker07
Roostius_Maximus wrote:Use an end mill and plunge into the side of the sleeve and the water jacket casing only enough to retail an aluminum dowell, it's the same thing we do with the Honda car blocks that aren't running darton sleeve packs. I'll post pics in a dew days
So youre saying the motor is possibly saveable?

AlisoBob wrote:The failure isnt the sleeve, its the aluminum jacket holding the sleeve.

If it detonated really hard, and either lifted the head right there or dislodged the gasket, the pressure would be directed right at the aluminum jacket.

If coolant got into the cylinder and you hit the starter button, it might have done the same thing.

What does the H/G look like? Do you still have it.

Was it running when it happened, or did it run fine, was parked... and then ran like shit on the restart?

:?: :?: :?:
Dont know. A guy on another forum bought the bike knowing it had a bad motor. The discussion is speculation, mostly. The P/O said that it began to run really weak.

I mainly posted this as just something that I thought intriguing, in the hopes of learning something :)


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Posted: January 13th, 2012, 1:05 pm
by Roostius_Maximus
I'd make a flanged sleeve and run that beotch if its something hellish expensive to replace

Posted: January 13th, 2012, 1:09 pm
by NightBiker07
Roostius_Maximus wrote:I'd make a flanged sleeve and run that beotch if its something hellish expensive to replace
its not. complete bikes can be had for 400 bucks. not really worth fixing at this point, but someday it would be.

Posted: January 13th, 2012, 1:28 pm
by AlisoBob
Britinmanchester would pound a wedge into the case to close the split, slap it back together... and run it!!

Posted: January 13th, 2012, 2:59 pm
by Roostius_Maximus
NightBiker07 wrote:
Roostius_Maximus wrote:I'd make a flanged sleeve and run that beotch if its something hellish expensive to replace
its not. complete bikes can be had for 400 bucks. not really worth fixing at this point, but someday it would be.
i got ya, I'd set it on a back shelf and someday do a darton style sleeve like this on it....


http://www.google.ca/search?q=darton+sl ... 0gHfyfXEAw

in these pics you can see where the honda blocks with the floating sleeve like that one are cut down and a replacement with support is added.
It wouldn't need to be their sleeve, but the same idea

Posted: January 13th, 2012, 5:31 pm
by AlisoBob
My buddy Dan is the Honda sleeve master....

http://www.bensonsmachine.com/benson-sleeves.html


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