Family: Octuplets' mother has 6 other children
By THOMAS WATKINS, Associated Press Writer Thomas Watkins,
WHITTIER, Calif. – The woman who gave birth to octuplets this week has six other children and never expected to have eight more when she took fertility treatment, her mother said.
Angela Suleman said her daughter expects a big challenge raising 14 children. The good news, she said, is all the babies appear healthy.
"I looked at those babies. They are so tiny and so beautiful," Suleman told The Los Angeles Times on Thursday.
Suleman's daughter gave birth to the octuplets Monday at a hospital in Bellflower but has requested that doctors keep her name confidential. Media knew little about the woman until a family acquaintance told CBS' "The Early Show" on Thursday that the mother is "fairly young" and lives with her parents and her six children.
Within hours, media had camped out at the family's home in Whittier, where the babies' grandfather pulled up in a minivan in the evening and briefly spoke to The Associated Press. Beside him were two children — a 7-year-old and 6-year-old — who said they were excited to have eight new siblings.
But the grandfather warned that media may have a tougher time finding the family after the babies are released from the hospital.
"We have a huge house, not here," said the man, who would only identify himself as Ed. "You are never going to know where it is."
The mother also has two children, ages 5 and 3, and 2-year-old twins, neighbors told the Times.
Suleman said her daughter had embryos implanted last year, and after finding out she was pregnant with multiple babies was given the option by doctors of selectively reducing the number of embryos. The woman declined.
"What do you suggest she should have done? She refused to have them killed," Suleman told the Times. "That is a very painful thing."
Dr. Harold Henry said the woman was already pregnant when she came to Kaiser Permanente Bellflower Medical Center, and she was counseled about the risks of her pregnancy and on the option of aborting some of the fetuses. Doctors had been expecting only seven babies, but an eighth was born in the cesarean delivery.
The six boys and two girls, the second octuplets born alive in the United States, have garnered worldwide attention as media have attempted to find out more about the mother and her family. Hours after media gathered outside the Whittier home, Kaiser issued a statement on behalf of the mother requesting privacy.
"Please know, in our own time, we will share additional details about this miraculous experience," the statement read. "The babies continue to grow strong everyday and make good progress. My family and I are ecstatic about all of their arrivals. Needless to say the eighth was a surprise to us all, but a blessing as well."
Dr. Mandhir Gupta said seven of the babies were breathing without assistance. One was still receiving oxygen through a tube in his nose.
Seven of the infants were being tube-fed donated breast milk. One of the boys was expected to begin feedings Friday.
All babies continued to receive an intravenous nutritional combination. They were expected to remain in the hospital for several more weeks.
Some fertility specialists have said the children face increased health risks because they are octuplets and born nine weeks premature. At birth, they ranged between 1 pound, 8 ounces and 3 pounds, 4 ounces.
Doctors say they advise against higher-order births, but acknowledge the decision is not theirs to make.
"Who am I to say that six is the limit?" said Dr. Jeffrey Steinberg, medical director of Fertility Institutes, which has clinics in Los Angeles, Las Vegas and New York City. "There are people who like to have big families."
Dr. James Grifo, professor of obstetrics and gynecology at the NYU School of Medicine, added: "I don't think it's our job to tell them how many babies they're allowed to have. I am not a policeman for reproduction in the United States. My role is to educate patients."
WTF!!!! WTF!!!! WTF!!!!
A single mom, with enough friggin kids already is allowed to get "fertility treatments" , and get knocked up with 8 more?
Better yet, and Doctoirs state... " we dont make judgement's in cases like this...."
Can you imagine what this is going to cost the taxpayers , over the next 18 years...
Think any of those kids is going to college?
Think any of those kids is going to get the love and supervision thay need?
Think she had her hands full allready with 6 kids?
I have a handfull with two!!!
This has to be one of the most selfish things I have ever heard of!!!!
Meanwhile....... Theres familys who have done everything right, and found them selves in a tight spot due to the economy, bad luck, or other factors.... who are told to go pound sand.
This person is going to be the darling of the media,showered with welfare money, get a book deal, free Huggies for life, free baby food ( all part of a corporate marketing campaigin mind you..... (
This is a friggin disgrace....
I'm going to go puke now....
This is a crime....
AP – Kaiser Permanente's 52 member labor and delivery team for the octuplets. (Photo: Business Wire)
You think SHE paid a dime of this bill......
In 2007 LA Unified School District had a $30 billion dollars budget divided by 700,000 students which equals $43,000 per student.
If that wasent terror enough...... Consider this....
12 years x 14 kids x $43k
7 million, 244 thousand dollars this "family" is going to consume in public schooling funding.....
F/U Lady.....
how is that possible....... fucking government and bullshit programs drive me crazy!AlisoBob wrote:
$43,000 per student.
my kid got to a private school for 10K a year and it kicks ass over most public schools.....he has 8 kids in his 3rd grade class...cant beat that for attention
AlisoBob wrote: F/U Lady.....
X's 1,000,000!!!!!
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LAUSD has 80,000 employees. Why? Are they all needed to teach the kids...teamdns wrote:how is that possible....... fucking government and bullshit programs drive me crazy!
HELL NO!
Then whay?
Retirement benifits... thats why.
Like Social Security, and that dude who just got busted...Maddoff, LAUSD operates a pyramid scheme. In order to pay for LAUSD’s growing retirements, they require ever-increasing numbers of employees to pay the bills, in the form of payroll deductions and union dues. As long as retired populations are growing and living longer, pensions are threatened. At last count, LAUSD’s Health and Welfare deficit was, by itself, $10 billion in the red.
If they had a reasonable workforce, it would be even more.
To keep this scam going.. the teachers union kicks back a portion of these billions from union dues to support politicians (e.g., Democrats) who won’t expose the scam. Democrats and school administrators claim they need ever more money for the children's education, but its not... its all goes to the scam.
The more taxpayers spend the less education our children actually receive.
School vouchers would sink the ship even faster..... Which is why they are so against them.
Can you imagine the school Edwardo could go to on $43k a year.
To grasp the enormity of LAUSD waste, compare these numbers:
The City of Los Angeles employs 40,000 to serve LA’s 4,300,000 residents with a $6.5 billion budget: 107-1 resident/employee ratio at $1,500 per resident.
The County of Los Angeles employs 90,000 to serve 11,500,000 residents with a $15.4 billion budget: 127,000-1 resident/employee ratio at $1.33 per resident.
LAUSD employs 80,000 union workers to serve 652,000 students with an operations and construction budget of over $32 billion: 9-1 student/employee ratio at (somewhere under) $49,000 per student.
Its all so disgusting what goes on... and no one seems to care.
BTW, Wheres the Republicians in all this?????
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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south central hoon
County worker right here.
LAUSD is F-ed!!!! But, if you think that 43,000 per student acutally goes to the education of those students you are more foolish than the idiots running the place.
walk into any classroom in LAUSD and have a look at the facility, the textbooks, the dinosaur computers. The dough ain't trickling down dude.
LAUSD is F-ed!!!! But, if you think that 43,000 per student acutally goes to the education of those students you are more foolish than the idiots running the place.
walk into any classroom in LAUSD and have a look at the facility, the textbooks, the dinosaur computers. The dough ain't trickling down dude.
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Thats the problem Jeff..... All the Libs you vote in have fucked things up so bad... its unbielivable.south central hoon wrote: The dough ain't trickling down dude.
By LAUSD's own numbers.... bout' $9k reaches each classroom, per student.
$34k per student is consumed by "the proscess..... "
Its criminal...
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AP – Kaiser Permanente's 52 member labor and delivery team for the octuplets. (Photo: Business Wire)
You think SHE paid a dime of this bill......
In 2007 LA Unified School District had a $30 billion dollars budget divided by 700,000 students which equals $43,000 per student.
If that wasent terror enough...... Consider this....
12 years x 14 kids x $43k
7 million, 244 thousand dollars this "family" is going to consume in public schooling funding.....
Don't forget the free Breakfast, Free lunch, And Snack to take home.
Oh Yeah!
And on Friday they get food for the Weekend to take home too!!!
F/U Lady.....
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AlisoBob wrote:
AP – Kaiser Permanente's 52 member labor and delivery team for the octuplets. (Photo: Business Wire)
You think SHE paid a dime of this bill......
In 2007 LA Unified School District had a $30 billion dollars budget divided by 700,000 students which equals $43,000 per student.
If that wasent terror enough...... Consider this....
12 years x 14 kids x $43k
7 million, 244 thousand dollars this "family" is going to consume in public schooling funding.....
F/U Lady.....
Don't forget the free Breakfast, Free lunch, And Snack to take home.
Oh Yeah!
And on Friday they get food for the Weekend to take home too!!!
"Grandma" cracked already!!!!
Grandma: Octuplets mom obsessed with having kids
By RAQUEL MARIA DILLON, Associated Press Writer Raquel Maria Dillon, Associated Press
LOS ANGELES – The woman who gave birth to octuplets this week conceived all 14 of her children through in vitro fertilization, is not married and has been obsessed with having children since she was a teenager, her mother said.
Angela Suleman told The Associated Press she was not supportive when her daughter, Nadya Suleman, decided to have more embryos implanted last year.
"It can't go on any longer," she said in a phone interview Friday. "She's got six children and no husband. I was brought up the traditional way. I firmly believe in marriage. But she didn't want to get married."
Nadya Suleman, 33, gave birth Monday in nearby Bellflower. She was expected to remain in the hospital for at least a few more days, and her newborns for at least a month.
A spokeswoman at Kaiser Permanente Bellflower Medical Center said the babies were doing well and seven were breathing unassisted.
While her daughter recovers, Angela Suleman is taking care of the other six children, ages 2 through 7, at the family home in Whittier, about 15 miles east of downtown Los Angeles.
She said she warned her daughter that when she gets home from the hospital, "I'm going to be gone."
Angela Suleman said her daughter always had trouble conceiving and underwent in vitro fertilization treatments because her fallopian tubes are "plugged up."
There were frozen embryos left over after her previous pregnancies and her daughter didn't want them destroyed, so she decided to have more children.
Her mother and doctors have said the woman was told she had the option to abort some of the embryos and, later, the fetuses. She refused.
Her mother said she does not believe her daughter will have any more children.
"She doesn't have any more (frozen embryos), so it's over now," she said. "It has to be."
Nadya Suleman wanted to have children since she was a teenager, "but luckily she couldn't," her mother said.
"Instead of becoming a kindergarten teacher or something, she started having them, but not the normal way," he mother said.
Her daughter's obsession with children caused Angela Suleman considerable stress, so she sought help from a psychologist, who told her to order her daughter out of the house.
"Maybe she wouldn't have had so many kids then, but she is a grown woman," Angela Suleman said. "I feel responsible and I didn't want to throw her out."
Yolanda Garcia, 49, of Whittier, said she helped care for Nadya Suleman's autistic son three years ago.
"From what I could tell back then, she was pretty happy with herself, saying she liked having kids and she wanted 12 kids in all," Garcia told the Long Beach Press-Telegram.
"She told me that all of her kids were through in vitro, and I said 'Gosh, how can you afford that and go to school at the same time?"' she added. "And she said it's because she got paid for it."
Garcia said she did not ask for details.
Nadya Suleman holds a 2006 degree in child and adolescent development from California State University, Fullerton, and as late as last spring she was studying for a master's degree in counseling, college spokeswoman Paula Selleck told the Press-Telegram.
Her fertility doctor has not been identified. Her mother told the Los Angeles Times all the children came from the same sperm donor but she declined to identify him.
Birth certificates reviewed by The Associated Press identify a David Solomon as the father for the four oldest children. Certificates for the other children were not immediately available.
The news that the octuplets' mother already had six children sparked an ethical debate. Some medical experts were disturbed to hear that she was offered fertility treatment, and troubled by the possibility that she was implanted with so many embryos.
Others worried that she would be overwhelmed trying to raise so many children and would end up relying on public support.
The eight babies — six boys and two girls — were delivered by Cesarean section weighing between 1 pound, 8 ounces and 3 pounds, 4 ounces. Forty-six physicians and staff assisted in the deliveries.
They should make the doctor and Kasier Medical responsible for the cost of rasing these kids.... 100%
And they should sterilize the bitch too.....
" I get paid to have babies" Really..... and who could that possibly be..... besides me and you... the tax paying public.
Grandma: Octuplets mom obsessed with having kids
By RAQUEL MARIA DILLON, Associated Press Writer Raquel Maria Dillon, Associated Press
LOS ANGELES – The woman who gave birth to octuplets this week conceived all 14 of her children through in vitro fertilization, is not married and has been obsessed with having children since she was a teenager, her mother said.
Angela Suleman told The Associated Press she was not supportive when her daughter, Nadya Suleman, decided to have more embryos implanted last year.
"It can't go on any longer," she said in a phone interview Friday. "She's got six children and no husband. I was brought up the traditional way. I firmly believe in marriage. But she didn't want to get married."
Nadya Suleman, 33, gave birth Monday in nearby Bellflower. She was expected to remain in the hospital for at least a few more days, and her newborns for at least a month.
A spokeswoman at Kaiser Permanente Bellflower Medical Center said the babies were doing well and seven were breathing unassisted.
While her daughter recovers, Angela Suleman is taking care of the other six children, ages 2 through 7, at the family home in Whittier, about 15 miles east of downtown Los Angeles.
She said she warned her daughter that when she gets home from the hospital, "I'm going to be gone."
Angela Suleman said her daughter always had trouble conceiving and underwent in vitro fertilization treatments because her fallopian tubes are "plugged up."
There were frozen embryos left over after her previous pregnancies and her daughter didn't want them destroyed, so she decided to have more children.
Her mother and doctors have said the woman was told she had the option to abort some of the embryos and, later, the fetuses. She refused.
Her mother said she does not believe her daughter will have any more children.
"She doesn't have any more (frozen embryos), so it's over now," she said. "It has to be."
Nadya Suleman wanted to have children since she was a teenager, "but luckily she couldn't," her mother said.
"Instead of becoming a kindergarten teacher or something, she started having them, but not the normal way," he mother said.
Her daughter's obsession with children caused Angela Suleman considerable stress, so she sought help from a psychologist, who told her to order her daughter out of the house.
"Maybe she wouldn't have had so many kids then, but she is a grown woman," Angela Suleman said. "I feel responsible and I didn't want to throw her out."
Yolanda Garcia, 49, of Whittier, said she helped care for Nadya Suleman's autistic son three years ago.
"From what I could tell back then, she was pretty happy with herself, saying she liked having kids and she wanted 12 kids in all," Garcia told the Long Beach Press-Telegram.
"She told me that all of her kids were through in vitro, and I said 'Gosh, how can you afford that and go to school at the same time?"' she added. "And she said it's because she got paid for it."
Garcia said she did not ask for details.
Nadya Suleman holds a 2006 degree in child and adolescent development from California State University, Fullerton, and as late as last spring she was studying for a master's degree in counseling, college spokeswoman Paula Selleck told the Press-Telegram.
Her fertility doctor has not been identified. Her mother told the Los Angeles Times all the children came from the same sperm donor but she declined to identify him.
Birth certificates reviewed by The Associated Press identify a David Solomon as the father for the four oldest children. Certificates for the other children were not immediately available.
The news that the octuplets' mother already had six children sparked an ethical debate. Some medical experts were disturbed to hear that she was offered fertility treatment, and troubled by the possibility that she was implanted with so many embryos.
Others worried that she would be overwhelmed trying to raise so many children and would end up relying on public support.
The eight babies — six boys and two girls — were delivered by Cesarean section weighing between 1 pound, 8 ounces and 3 pounds, 4 ounces. Forty-six physicians and staff assisted in the deliveries.
They should make the doctor and Kasier Medical responsible for the cost of rasing these kids.... 100%
And they should sterilize the bitch too.....
" I get paid to have babies" Really..... and who could that possibly be..... besides me and you... the tax paying public.
The comments from Nadya's mother Angela are adding fuel to the growing controversy that has already sparked an investigation by the California Medical Board into the circumstances surrounding implantation of six embryos into a woman with six children.
See exclusive photos inside the trashed home.
When Nadya, 33, decided to be implanted with multiple embryos, Angela was stunned. She told RadarOnline.com: "I was very upset. She already has six beautiful children, why would she do this?
"To have them all is unconscionable to me. She really really has no idea what she's doing to her children and to me."
Nadya lives with Angela, a retired teacher, and Angela says Nadya contributes no money to the support of her own children. Eight people - soon to be 16 - are cramped into a small three-bedroom house and fed in shifts.
RadarOnline.com obtained exclusive photos inside the house, photos that are bound to raise more questions about Nadya's ability to care for so many children and a RadarOnline.com reporter described the interior as "filthy", with food on the walls.
"How she's going to cope, I don't know," Angela told RadarOnline.com about her daughter. "I'm really tired of taking care of the six children and need her to think about how she'll provide for all these children."
Angela told RadarOnline.com that Nadya turned her boyfriend into a sperm donor for all 14 kids, but refused to marry him. "He was in love with her and wanted to marry her," said Angela. "But Nadya wanted to have children on her own."
Nadya was so determined to have children, she first became pregnant at 16, Angela told RadarOnline.com. She miscarried, said Angela, and discovered she had blocked fallopian tubes.
"How she's going to cope, I don't know."Angela said that she and Nadya's father, Ed, begged one doctor not to implant any more embryos in Nadya, who already had six children. But Nadya found another doctor to implant six embryos, and two split, resulting in eight more babies. That doctor's decision to perform the in vitro has left the octuplets grandmother furious. "I'm really angry about that," she told RadarOnline.com.
Angela also voiced her anger over Nadya's claim she was raised in a dysfunctional family and was lonely as a child. "We raised her in a loving family and her father always spoiled her," Angela said.
"The truth is that Nadya hasn't worked since she started having her children," Angela, charged, "while Ed and I battled to pay her bills.
"Nadya promised to help me with the bills, but she never has. I lost a house because of it and now I'm struggling to look after her six. We had to put in bunk beds, feed them in shifts and there's children's clothing piled all over the house."
Angela told RadarOnline.com that she wasn't at the octuplets' birth because she was looking after the other six children. "But I saw the octuplets when they were two days old. They were so tiny and fragile, with bright purple skin, I was afraid to touch them but they're all doing well.
"Nadya has given them all Biblical names."
It's all good now...
The grandfather is going to Iraq to work under a contractor to support his 14 grandkids. And donations are pilling in from around the country. It's all daisys and daffodils from here on out...
What an inconsiderate fucking britincali
Send that bitch to Iraq and make her support her own god damn kids!! And she owes ever resident of California a donation her damn self for selfishly spending so god damn much of your state taxes!! I see she's mexican't and the genius doctor was a fuck'n arab...wow, I couldn't come up with this shit on my own
The grandfather is going to Iraq to work under a contractor to support his 14 grandkids. And donations are pilling in from around the country. It's all daisys and daffodils from here on out...
What an inconsiderate fucking britincali
Send that bitch to Iraq and make her support her own god damn kids!! And she owes ever resident of California a donation her damn self for selfishly spending so god damn much of your state taxes!! I see she's mexican't and the genius doctor was a fuck'n arab...wow, I couldn't come up with this shit on my own
'03 CR500 powered by...umm...a new motor?
X2!!MICK wrote:It's all good now...
The grandfather is going to Iraq to work under a contractor to support his 14 grandkids. And donations are pilling in from around the country. It's all daisys and daffodils from here on out...
What an inconsiderate fucking britincali
Send that bitch to Iraq and make her support her own god damn kids!! And she owes ever resident of California a donation her damn self for selfishly spending so god damn much of your state taxes!! I see she's mexican't and the genius doctor was a fuck'n arab...wow, I couldn't come up with this shit on my own
Crazy glue her snatch shut, while your at it ......
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X3AlisoBob wrote:X2!!MICK wrote:It's all good now...
The grandfather is going to Iraq to work under a contractor to support his 14 grandkids. And donations are pilling in from around the country. It's all daisys and daffodils from here on out...
What an inconsiderate fucking britincali
Send that bitch to Iraq and make her support her own god damn kids!! And she owes ever resident of California a donation her damn self for selfishly spending so god damn much of your state taxes!! I see she's mexican't and the genius doctor was a fuck'n arab...wow, I couldn't come up with this shit on my own
Crazy glue her snatch shut, while your at it ......
Mike
teem trubble works CR500
(Gen 3 125+CR500 motor)
If I wanted a Yamaha I would have bought a piano!
teem trubble works CR500
(Gen 3 125+CR500 motor)
If I wanted a Yamaha I would have bought a piano!
me toteemtrubble wrote:X3AlisoBob wrote:X2!!MICK wrote:It's all good now...
The grandfather is going to Iraq to work under a contractor to support his 14 grandkids. And donations are pilling in from around the country. It's all daisys and daffodils from here on out...
What an inconsiderate fucking britincali
Send that bitch to Iraq and make her support her own god damn kids!! And she owes ever resident of California a donation her damn self for selfishly spending so god damn much of your state taxes!! I see she's mexican't and the genius doctor was a fuck'n arab...wow, I couldn't come up with this shit on my own
Crazy glue her snatch shut, while your at it ......
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