Socialiats..... Read and Learn.....

[AlisoBob]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/eu_france_re ... VwcGxpZXM-

[thestuz]

is it just me, or does it seem that western societies standards of living are sliding downwards fast?

on another note bob, arent those financial crisises in eu countries created by mismanaged capitalism? eg, gfc?

[Tayler89]

is it just me, or does it seem that western societies standards of living are sliding downwards fast?

on another note bob, arent those financial crisises in eu countries created by mismanaged capitalism? eg, gfc?

If you believe a move toward socialism/progressivism is mismanaged capitalism then you are correct.

The problem is caused by a huge entitlement society that constantly drains money from the system while at the same time removes incentive from both businesses and workers. This all results in very little income for the country, but very high expenditures.

Truth be told that if they would adhere to Capitalism then they wouldn't be in the trouble they are in.

Capitalism is directly responsible for America becoming the super power that it is/was. We didn't become the richest most powerful nation in the world through military means, capitalism caused it. Our downfall has been and continues to be the steady adoption of socialist tenants that result in a hostile environment for businesses, and a lack of incentive by workers.

Check out China.....they are a Communist country that has/is employing capitalism better than anyone right now.....the people better not ever question the govt. though.


Let's hear your lame explanation........My guess is it is going to be some bullshit about exploiting the world, and fucking people over. That is what I would expect from pussies that aren't brave enough, smart enough, or motivated enough to make things happen for themselves.
They always try to demonize those who are.

[thestuz]

well i thought it was chinas currency value that is making it the most dominant exporter in the world. not because it is a capitalist country.

they also control alot of commodities in many countries now and i believe refine as much oil as the usa. this makes them more self sufficient and less reliant on commodity prices.

i just think its new emerging landscape in the industrial revolution as we know it.
no country is able to compete with countries like china. the wages are so cheap and working conditions are so poor.
we western middle class societies will never be able to compete with exports.
and with free trade aggreements and reduction in tarrifs, it was always going to happen.

blaming it on socialism is short sighted imo.

[Tayler89]

well i thought it was chinas currency value that is making it the most dominant exporter in the world. not because it is a capitalist country.

they also control alot of commodities in many countries now and i believe refine as much oil as the usa. this makes them more self sufficient and less reliant on commodity prices.

i just think its new emerging landscape in the industrial revolution as we know it.
no country is able to compete with countries like china. the wages are so cheap and working conditions are so poor.
we western middle class societies will never be able to compete with exports.
and with free trade aggreements and reduction in tarrifs, it was always going to happen.

blaming it on socialism is short sighted imo.

In your first few sentences you clearly described Capitalism. In your later sentences you have described some of the problems an entitlement/social justice society causes.

While we cannot compete with China's wages and working conditions, we can remove a large burden from those that choose to take a risk and manufacture products. Instead of punishing them with Huge taxes, regulation, and the huge salaries the unions are trying to force on them, how about we try to remove some of those........at least we may have a fighting chance.

[AlisoBob]

blaming it on socialism is short sighted imo.

Retard

[gregrobo]

taylor89 wrote
While we cannot compete with China's wages and working conditions, we can remove a large burden from those that choose to take a risk and manufacture products. Instead of punishing them with Huge taxes, regulation, and the huge salaries the unions are trying to force on them, how about we try to remove some of those........at least we may have a fighting chance.[/quote]

i agree whole heartedly with this statement governments sould support industies at a grass roots level and if needed fund it to create a future otherwise industry will die and there will be no skills on our shores

[NightBiker07]

blaming it on socialism is short sighted imo.

Retard

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[thestuz]

While we cannot compete with China's wages and working conditions, we can remove a large burden from those that choose to take a risk and manufacture products. Instead of punishing them with Huge taxes, regulation, and the huge salaries the unions are trying to force on them, how about we try to remove some of those........at least we may have a fighting chance.

i agree whole heartedly with this statement governments sould support industies at a grass roots level and if needed fund it to create a future otherwise industry will die and there will be no skills on our shores[/quote]

agreed as well.
but if you dont tax buisnes, then tax will have to come from somewhere else.which usually means taxing the worker. and when the workers taxes go up, he needs to earn more from his employer and the cycle goes on.

unless you are wiling to work for a bowl of rice a day, then the chinese have industry dusted. it appears to be just a matter of time before most if not all western manufacturing industry is gone.and i dont think a capitalist system will change that.


its going to take more than just raising the pension age by two years to get france out of economic turmoil

[thestuz]

blaming it on socialism is short sighted imo.

Retard

what, you think adjusting socialist policies will end chinas industrial dominance and monoploy?

[NightBiker07]

While we cannot compete with China's wages and working conditions, we can remove a large burden from those that choose to take a risk and manufacture products. Instead of punishing them with Huge taxes, regulation, and the huge salaries the unions are trying to force on them, how about we try to remove some of those........at least we may have a fighting chance.

i agree whole heartedly with this statement governments sould support industies at a grass roots level and if needed fund it to create a future otherwise industry will die and there will be no skills on our shores

agreed as well.
but if you dont tax buisnes, then tax will have to come from somewhere else.which usually means taxing the worker. and when the workers taxes go up, he needs to earn more from his employer and the cycle goes on.

unless you are wiling to work for a bowl of rice a day, then the chinese have industry dusted. it appears to be just a matter of time before most if not all western manufacturing industry is gone.and i dont think a capitalist system will change that.


its going to take more than just raising the pension age by two years to get france out of economic turmoil[/quote]

If they didnt flat out waste tax dollars, then we wouldnt need to raise taxes on anything.......

blaming it on socialism is short sighted imo.

Retard

what, you think adjusting socialist policies will end chinas industrial dominance and monoploy?

I think that incentives should be used to keep jobs in the home country, but socialism/communism is NOT the answer. I like my freedom and my guns, thanks.

[gregrobo]

I think that incentives should be used to keep jobs in the home country, but socialism/communism is NOT the answer. I like my freedom and my guns, thanks.

me to i love my guns and my lame country and my pussy mates and i want to retire at a age when im not to fuked up to enjoy what i have worked for

[thestuz]

I think that incentives should be used to keep jobs in the home country, but socialism/communism is NOT the answer. I like my freedom and my guns, thanks.

me to i love my guns and my lame country and my pussy mates and i want to retire at a age when im not to fuked up to enjoy what i have worked for

wtf is our retirement age now???65 ? 70?

either way, our pension index never keeps up with inflation. our pensioners live like dogs. a very poor existance for most.
our "superanuation" generation lost half our pensions with the colapse of the global economy.
lol, what a joke.

[AlisoBob]

This is how its supposed to work....

Countries like the U.S. are supposed to prosper and thrive off the slave labor provided by shit holes like China and Honduras.

Its always been like that.... its the natural order of things in the world.

When you tip over the applecart with man made ideas like "socialism".... everybody loses. The whole world goes into a downward sprial because the folks providing the capital have no incentive to continue to do so if its just going to be redistributed to the "have-nots".

In the U.S., its solicialist programs that keep inflating the amount of dead weight this country has to carry. The Democrates in government "manufactures" the lower class. Is how they keep their power base intact.

Capitilism works if you work. Solicialism works if you want to stand around with your hand out.

Which do you think is the "lomg term" answer??

[kdizzle]

This is how its supposed to work....

Countries like the U.S. are supposed to prosper and thrive off the slave labor provided by shit holes like China and Honduras.

Its always been like that.... its the natural order of things in the world.

When you tip over the applecart with man made ideas like "socialism".... everybody loses. The whole world goes into a downward sprial because the folks providing the capital have no incentive to continue to do so if its just going to be redistributed to the "have-nots".

In the U.S., its solicialist programs that keep inflating the amount of dead weight this country has to carry. The Democrates in government "manufactures" the lower class. Is how they keep their power base intact.

Capitilism works if you work. Solicialism works if you want to stand around with your hand out.

Which do you think is the "lomg term" answer??

Amen


Sounds like the stuz would prefer a socialist muslim society. LOL man keep that shit far far away from us you commie bastard!

[Tayler89]

agreed as well.
but if you dont tax buisnes, then tax will have to come from somewhere else.which usually means taxing the worker. and when the workers taxes go up, he needs to earn more from his employer and the cycle goes on.

Historically, everytime corporate tax is lowered, it increases tax revenue. It allows business to expand, make more $, and hire more workers. More people paying more taxes = more tax money the govt gets. Taxes doesn't go up on the people, there just more with jobs and as a result more people paying taxes. This has historically always been true.

During his run for the presidency, in one of the debates, a reporter asked Obama if everytime taxes are decreased, it results in more tax revenue, why would he increase taxes on the "rich"? His response was shocking....He responded "It is the principle of the thing". So in other words....who cares if we go bankrupt!

Under the Obama administration tax revenue is down 34%

So he has spent more $ than any president in history on social programs and makes less money in the process......Nice!


Oh, and I'm also with Bob.

[gregrobo]

there is some misquoting going on

i agree Taylor our government lowered business taxes at the height of the gfc and invested in business and we are stronger for it we have a strong economy on the back of mining and a reasonably low unemployment and at the moment our dollar is at all time highs like you said incentives for business means more tax revenue

[Tayler89]

I think that incentives should be used to keep jobs in the home country, but socialism/communism is NOT the answer. I like my freedom and my guns, thanks.

me to i love my guns and my lame country and my pussy mates and i want to retire at a age when im not to fuked up to enjoy what i have worked for

wtf is our retirement age now???65 ? 70?

either way, our pension index never keeps up with inflation. our pensioners live like dogs. a very poor existance for most.
our "superanuation" generation lost half our pensions with the colapse of the global economy.
lol, what a joke.

Which is why you shouldn't be forced into a social program like that! What if you could take the $ you pay in and invest in whatever you want?
You would have an exceptionally better chance of more return on your investment........

The govt doesn't alway know best, and isn't necessarily looking out for your best interests........Sometimes they just want your money!

[thestuz]

This is how its supposed to work....

Countries like the U.S. are supposed to prosper and thrive off the slave labor provided by shit holes like China and Honduras.

Its always been like that.... its the natural order of things in the world.

When you tip over the applecart with man made ideas like "socialism".... everybody loses. The whole world goes into a downward sprial because the folks providing the capital have no incentive to continue to do so if its just going to be redistributed to the "have-nots".

In the U.S., its solicialist programs that keep inflating the amount of dead weight this country has to carry. The Democrates in government "manufactures" the lower class. Is how they keep their power base intact.

Capitilism works if you work. Solicialism works if you want to stand around with your hand out.

Which do you think is the "lomg term" answer??

hey bob. america is the capitalist power house of the world right?

then why did america financially go to shit? shall we blame it on socialism? or too many lcds from the global power house china lol. or obama?

wasnt it capitalism getting out of control??? to many bad bank loans??? not enough "government financial regulation" on the banking and financial industry?

ill leave this question open to anyone who can put forward a sensible answer.

[AlisoBob]

It was the Democrates forcing the "American Dream" to be made available to everyone..... how very SOCIALISTIC!!!

Guess what? Not everyone can AFFORD the American Dream.

When you see Mexicans making $7 an hour qualifing for a $500,000 home loan.... Niggers on welfare driving Esclades, and White Trash doing both.... somethings very, very wrong.

And it all folded like a house of cards. Gee..... shocking.

I live a very debt free lifestyle. Only bill I have is my two credit cards every month.

There is poor, like you have no money, and Debt Poor, where you have lots of money... but give it all up at the end of the month.

Both are bad for the economy and its not going to improve until we straighten this shit out.....

This doosh bag has done more to ruin the economy than anybody....





Hey Barney, FUCK YOU!

[MojoScojo]

An elderly man suffered a massive heart attack. The family drove wildly to get him to the emergency room.

After what seemed like a very long wait, the ER doctor appeared wearing his scrubs and a long face. Sadly, he said, “I’m afraid Grandpa is brain-dead, but his heart is still beating.”

“Oh, Dear God,” cried his wife, her hands clasped against her cheeks with shock.

“We’ve never had a Democrat in the family before!”

[NightBiker07]

wasnt it capitalism getting out of control??? to many bad bank loans??? not enough "government financial regulation" on the banking and financial industry?

ill leave this question open to anyone who can put forward a sensible answer.

Ok Mr. Genius, I dont know if you are aware, but all these bad bank loans happened BECAUSE of government regulation to put people in homes.....that they couldnt afford. Sure, it SOUNDS like a good idea. get everyone into homes of their own, but in REALITY, it doesnt work, as we are experiencing now.

So, tell me how MORE government regulation will fix it?

An elderly man suffered a massive heart attack. The family drove wildly to get him to the emergency room.

After what seemed like a very long wait, the ER doctor appeared wearing his scrubs and a long face. Sadly, he said, “I’m afraid Grandpa is brain-dead, but his heart is still beating.”

“Oh, Dear God,” cried his wife, her hands clasped against her cheeks with shock.

“We’ve never had a Democrat in the family before!”

[thestuz]

i agree with you bob.people like him with attitudes like his are what helped blow up the bubble.

ok, capitalist means a free market right?
with minimal or no government interferance right?

but the problem i see here is "not enough gov regulation".
we have rules that apply in our country that you have to have savings records and proof to be able to service a mortgage before you can get a motrgage. it is somewhat governed to stop uncoverable lending.

you had a totally free (capitalist) market with greedy bankers trying to sign as many people up with home loans as possible, securities tied to real estate.not enough control measures.
to me , that is a capitalist market in fall swing with no political interferance to apply the brakes when things start heating up and going overboard..

in essence, capitalism failed.


in my state, in my country. privatisation has failed us big time.

we sold our electricity companies.the service dropped and our power prices doubled within 6 months and go up at a rate of 10% pa. FAIL!

we sold our water and prices went up dramatically. FAIL!

the same thing happened with our gas,public transport, tab, you name it.
in fact, the people got so pissed off, they ellected a labour gov. under one of his policies that NO MORE PUBLIC ASSETS WOULD BE SOLD.

you see, with our government ownership (socialist ideology), we had all the proffits from companies going back into the state.....
now that those companies are sold off, all the proffits go to singapore....
do the maths on that, and tell me where capitalism benefits me?



sure i do believe in a capitalist market TO A DEGREE. but i think public ownership of essential services is a must. because when a private company owns the monopoly, your in big shit.

if i were in charge of policy, i would free up the land for sale to keep the housing prices down. less money being paid to the banks through interest, means more money can be pumped back into the economy.
have a state bank with decent interest rates to keep the private banks exorborant interest rates in check.
and have a minimum wage set as law, with it increasing behind the inflation index.
and yes i would put the public utilities back in private hands.
everything else could be free market.


imo, socialism in its fullest is a bad thing. but capitalism at its fullest can be just as bad.
i would rather live in a lazy world of socialism than in a capitalist world where i am worked to the bone just to make ends meet to keep the rich, rich..

i am no "allan greenspan", but thats where i see it from my point of view.